Oral History Interview with Joy Terhune

CASSIE MULLINS: Okay, now we're on. For a minute, I got a little worried there. Today's date is August the fourth, nineteen ninety-eight. Just go ahead and state your name.

JOY TERHUNE: I'm Joy Sturgill Terhune.

C.M.: We've been talking for a few minutes, but let's just get started, tell me where you grew up.

TERHUNE: I grew up in Hindman. And my parents were Henry and Susannah Gibson Sturgill. And my father was a merchant and he had a store there, called Sturgill's Department Store. And I had three older siblings and the oldest was Norcie Sturgill and she married Woodrow Burchett and 1:00spent her life in Prestonsburg. And she is still living. In fact, she's the oldest and I'm the youngest and we're the only two left in my family. She's going to be eighty-five this month and I'm going to be seventy-two tomorrow. The second sister was Maude Evelyn Sturgill and she married a Combs from down in Emmolina, but they ended up living in Jeffersonville, Indiana. She died about ten years ago. And my third sibling, closest to me was Bill Zeke Sturgill, William Ezekial Sturgill, named after his two grandfathers. And he was about five years older than I. And I'm sure a lot of people in Hindman would remember him, because he was a rounder. He was a lot of fun. He went to World War Two with two of the Cornett boys, and was with General Patton all through the war and was finally severely injured in Germany. He died 2:00about twelve-fifteen years ago. He was fifty-eight when he died. But I lived there all my life, until I graduated from high school in May nineteen forty-four.

C.M.: Okay, and you said your father was a merchant there?

TERHUNE: Uh huh. He was Sheriff at one time. His twin brother, my Uncle John was county court clerk. They both were active in politics. But daddy was, most of his life was spent as a merchant in the store.

C.M.: What was that like, I guess you were around the store a lot.

TERHUNE: Well, not really, not really. I was almost like an only child, because my closest sister was ten years older than 3:00I, and then my brother was five years older than I. So, I really wasn't around the store a lot, because my mother wasn't there. My mother had polio when I was nine months old. She was limited. She would hate me saying that, because she never considered herself limited, but she was either on crutches or in a walker or a wheelchair all her life. Of course, seventy years ago, nobody knew what polio was. Franklin Roosevelt had it and that was about it. So, when she became ill, they thought she had spinal meningitis, so they brought her to Lexington and ruled that out. It was polio, so she was down here almost a year. And I was nursing, so I was just an infant. Of course, that was before cars, so my father had to try to go back and forth. And family tried 4:00to help as much as they could. Many of the good ladies in Hindman took care of me, as a baby, Dicie Smith, Phil's mother and Eva Duke. Doctor Duke was the doctor who delivered all of us, and they lived near us. And Jenny Napier, some of the ladies that you don't remember, but people listening to this would, I'm sure.

C.M. : Yeah, the names sound really familiar to me.

TERHUNE: Right. For about a year I was kind of farmed out, because daddy couldn't keep help all the time. And that year, that mother had polio, that's I guess our real introduction to the settlement school, because my two sisters and my little brother, who was just five or six years old, were put in the settlement school. And I guess he was the youngest child to ever be there. In fact Otis Cornett was his roommate, and Otis still talks about some of the, they were both very young and some of the things that they did and so on, during those days.

C.M.: Did they actually live at campus?

TERHUNE: They lived on campus. Our house was across, you 5:00know where the Little Girls' House ...

C.M.: Would have been, yeah.

TERHUNE: ...would have been? Our house was across the creek right there. It was called the old Baker house. It was a yellow house. Of course, that bank is all sharp now, but that used to be kind of a sloping place and there was a house down at the bottom. And there was a little bridge that went across to the Little Girls' House. So, my sister, my two sisters lived in the Little Girls' House. And my oldest sister, the one who's still living, was a, she was kind of a pet of Miss Ann Cobb. And Miss Cobb just loved her, because Norcie was very beautiful and she was very poetic. She loved to write poetry. And of course, Miss Cobb was a poet. In fact, on my sister's bedside table is one of Miss Cobb's books of poetry, to this day. So, then when mother came home, of course I was still an infant. Miss Cobb and Miss Watts and there was another 6:00one, who were very fond of my mother and they used to come often and have tea with her in the afternoon. And visit with her and so on. But my sisters were there for about, I would say, a year to eighteen months, while mother, while we didn't have a home, actually. And then we had to have, we didn't have maids in those days, we had hired girls who came and lived. They were like housekeepers, who came and lived in. So, that's the way my father managed during those years. So my sisters were very involved in the settlement school. And then when I started to school, I went to Kindergarten in the old Kindergarten building. I remember that. And I remember 7:00getting the tablespoon of cod liver oil every day. We all had to line up and they would give us a big tablespoon of cod liver oil.

C.M.: Why did they do that, just for prevention? [Laughing] TERHUNE: Uh huh. Well you know back in those days, that was during the Depression, remember.

C.M.: Oh, that's right.

TERHUNE: Yeah, see, I was born in nineteen twenty-six. So it was in the early thirties, thirty-one, thirty-two, when I was in Kindergarten. And I guess, the interesting thing, Marcia and I were talking about this the other day. The interesting thing is, that there was great poverty, I'm sure, but I never was aware of it.

C.M.: Really?

TERHUNE: My father had a daughter in school down here. She went to Science Hill, Shelbyville, the girls school in Shelbyville. And I remember he just grieved because he wasn't able to give her all the things that she would like to have had. She was there on a scholarship, was the only way she could have gone. But I remember walking home with him sometimes, with Hillard Smith. They 8:00both had daughters the same age away in school, and they both bemoaned the fact that money was so tight and they couldn't do for their children what they would like to have. But it never affected most of us. And I guess I was better off than most, but I don't remember anybody ever talking about being hungry or poor or anything. First, second, third grades, there was so much love in our families. And everybody had a big extended family, so you didn't feel deprived.

C.M.: I guess it's kind of like the community helped, helped each other.

TERHUNE: Yeah, right.

C.M.: Because I've asked, that's one thing we were trying to find out when doing this, was Jess, was if I could find out what the Depression years were like. And we were talking and so far, the people I've talked to that were growing up at that time, it's like the community kind of, everybody helped each other.

TERHUNE: Oh. We did. And you know, that year that I was an infant and had to be farmed out. I mean everybody took care of me. 9:00It wasn't like I was a charity case, that wasn't it at all. I mean I called every one of them Aunt Dicie, and Aunt Eva and Aunt Jenny and until the day they died, when I would go back to Hindman, I would go see all of them if they were there. And loved them dearly. And until mother moved away, those ladies were just like sisters to her. I know mother never lacked for garden stuff, because everybody would bring it in to her. But my association with the settlement school, I never lived there, but I remember all my teachers practically up through high school. And then many of them in high school were from the settlement school. I don't remember the name of my Kindergarten teacher, but when I moved on to the elementary school, which was the next building over, that old, brown building. I remember one of my favorite teachers was a lady and she was from New England 10:00too and her name was Miss Manzart. And she was, I don't say this unkindly, but she was the typical New Englander, almost what you expect of a[n] old, maid school teacher. She was very prim and proper and starched and small, petite, but such a stickler. We diagramed sentences and we did all sorts of things in third and fourth grade that my children didn't do until junior high or high school. We were so rigorously trained. And since I've taught school since, I chuckle, because there was discipline and there was respect for the authorities in our lives and still we had a lot of fun. And then Mrs. Kessell was my sixth grade teacher. And Mrs. Kessell was kind of a tyrant. My first experience with Mrs. Kessell 11:00was when my brother was in her class and I was in second grade. And he was a problem. [Laughter -Mullins] My father had an arrangement with Mrs. Kessell that every day when I got out early, second grade, I would come by her classroom and get a note that would give a report of my brother's behavior that day. And I'll never forget, I just adored my brother, he bribed me with candy bars called Three Little Pigs. And as I would leave, Mrs. Kessell wore a hearing aid, she couldn't hear well. And she also wore a wig, that they stole from her several times and took away. [Laughing] But she was a dear, and I really loved her, but the boys gave her a hard time. So, as I would pass his desk, he would say, you wait for me, you wait for me and I would. I'd wait until he got out 12:00and then he'd read the note. He knew that I had to take it, but he wanted to see it before daddy saw it, so he could get his story straight. And then he would always, we would go on downtown and he would buy me a candy bar.

C.M.: That's a pretty good deal. [Laughter] TERHUNE: My second grade teacher was, I've forgotten my first grade teacher, but my second grade teacher was Dale Smith, Phil's and Carol's sister. And she had come, and she and my sister were really good friends. So that was a joy, because I knew her so well, and we got along so well. And that's when I first remember going to the library. And we would walk across, line up and walk across the bridge to the high school. And Jim Still was the librarian. He was kind of brand new. 13:00He'd been there several years, but he was still a very young man. I can remember standing there, looking up, because study hall was over here and here was this big desk. And you didn't go back and look for the books, you just had to tell him what you wanted. So, I would tell him what I wanted and he would always say, alright Miss Joyful. And he would go and get me the books that I wanted and come back. I'll never forget, I taught here at the university, just retired two or three years ago, and I taught children's literature. And when he was the author in residence, one semester, he came and talked to my children's lit class and read "Jack and the Wonderbeans." And we reminisced about those days. Then in seventh and eighth grade I had Vinnie Dyer and Devon Pratt, who were both local people. And I also had Dixie Bailey in fifth grade and she was a local person. So those were three local people, 14:00who were my teachers, but everybody else, up through eighth grade was from the settlement school. High school, the principal, I guess Litton Singleton was principal, no, he was superintendent, I guess, when I was in high school. And Miss Glover, Helen Glover was principal, when I was there. Just two or three years ago, I had a phone call from the Franklins. The Franklins, are the ones who, Garlan and Eleanor started Camp Nathaniel ( ) Mountain Mission. And they live down in Florida and we stay in touch with them all the time. And he just died two or three years ago, but she is still living. In one of our telephone conversations he told me that he would go and visit people in the village they lived in, in Kissamee and he said, you don't know who I met today, he said, Helen Glover.

C.M.: Isn't that weird?

TERHUNE: The principal. She had cancer and 15:00was very ill and was dying. He told her that we stop by often to see them when we were in Florida and that he stayed in touch with us. And she said, if she ever comes while I'm here, be sure and bring her to see me. But we didn't go anymore and I didn't see her. But I thought, boy it's a small world.

C.M.: It really is.

TERHUNE: Fifty or sixty years later.

C.M.: And so she was the principal?

TERHUNE: She was the principal during those early forties. I don't know how long she was there, after I left. I left in May of forty-four. She was Principal then.

C.M.: What was she like? As far as like a disciplinary figure. What did you all think of her?

TERHUNE: Well, I worked for her. I worked in the office and I liked her very much. But she wasn't a strong disciplinarian. Pearl Combs was the coach then. And Pearl really handled a lot of that sort of thing. We had two or three men on the faculty. And Betty Combs, she was Betty Burrows, who married Pearl, had 16:00come during that period. She came when I was in the fifth grade. And a friend came with her, named Jean Davis. And Jean was the piano teacher and I played the piano. They both came from Oberlin. And then Pearl and Betty fell in love and got married, so of course then stayed. I stayed in touch with Betty until she died. She was here a lot, because she was at Marcia's a lot. I'm trying to think of some of the, well one of the things that I remember and now having taught in high school, I look back on it as a good thing. Back in those days, home economics was required. You had to have two years of home ec. And manual training, woodworking, it was called manual training. There was a separate building for that. 17:00I'll never forget learning to cook and trying to learn to sew. And my mother sewed beautifully and I never learned to sew, because she always did it. And every time I'd say well I'm going to learn to do this, this summer, she'd say, "well let me show you." And of course by the time she showed me, I had lost interest, and never did. But those were some good, good lessons. And one of the things we had to do, we had a lesson, I mean a unit I guess it was, in first aid and nursing.

C.M. : Oh, really?

TERHUNE: And we had to go, they still had a hospital, you know that is now the guest house at the school. But that was the hospital and Miss Standish was the person who taught us that. And that's where I learned to make a hospital bed. And we learned all those kind of things up there. And it was very practical kinds of things that we did. 18:00One of the fun things was being involved in all the traditional dance. I wasn't athletic, but I loved that. And then we had the Maypole every year, and then we had the May Queen every year. And my Senior year I was the May Queen.

C.M.: Oh, that's neat.

TERHUNE: That was fun. I took piano from Miss Ruth White forever and ever, from the time she came, until I left. And in fact when I went away to college, I majored in piano. I dropped it and switched to English. But I loved to play the piano. I had very good training from her. She was excellent.

C.M.: What was Miss White? I mean, I've heard her name and...

TERHUNE: She was the piano teacher.

C.M.: I've heard her mentioned. But could you give a physical description of what she looked like?

TERHUNE: Miss White was very shy. She was small and a bit plump. She gave lessons 19:00in her apartment, which was the building where you have apartments now.

C.M.: That kind of slopes down the hill?

TERHUNE: Right. What's that called?

C.M.: I just call it the apartments. I'm trying to think, I think we call it the Elizabeth Watts building.

TERHUNE: Okay, it had another name then, Hillside, I think Hillside.

C.M.: I think it was Hillside, then they re-did it.

TERHUNE: Yeah. But that's where she was. And we paid twenty-five cents a lesson for our piano lessons. And I still can remember her going, she had stacks of music that were her personal stuff. We never bought music, because she just used her things. But Max Cody took from her, and Phil and Ray Tudor and Marcia, you know there was a whole bunch of us. And we had recitals and people came, we had a really good program. And of course, we were all in the Glee Club and we did a lot with that. But Miss White was really a sweet, sweet person, very caring. I liked 20:00her a lot. Another teacher that was there then, who taught typing and bookkeeping was a lady named Miss Frizzell, F R I Z Z E L L.

C.M.: Where was she from?

TERHUNE: She was from New England, and she was friend of Miss Glover's, had come when she came. And then Miss Standish went on to become the librarian after Jim Still left. And then we built the new library, the stone building that, what's that used for now? The stone building?

C.M.: It's now the James Still Learning Center for Dyslexic Children.

TERHUNE: Well, that was the library and as a part of our English classes we went over and did research, and she taught us how to use the library and all that sort of thing. She was a very, very intellectual person, very structured. You just don't find that kind anymore. I think back so often to, because I went from high school and never worked hard, but did well. In fact, my last year, I only went half a day, because my father was very ill. He had a stroke 21:00and mother and I took care of him at home. He had to be moved and changed, and all that so often. So, she took care of him at night, and I would come home in the afternoon, so she could sleep. And I took care of him in the afternoon. We had help, because he had bed sores. We had to change linens often.

C.M.: Sounds difficult.

TERHUNE: We had a Mrs. Sizemore, who came every day, and she just did loads and loads of laundry. In fact, I was over at Pieratt's just now and saw this old wringer washing machine, Maytag washing machine. And so I asked him, what's the best washing machine. And he said, the Maytag. And I said well, I used to have one like that one out there, so I can vouch for that. [Laughter] But she just 22:00washed all the time, because we just had to keep changing. And he couldn't speak, he'd lost his voice, so it was a hard two years. But anyway, I only went to school a half a day, and I still did well. But then I was kind of cocky, I thought I was hot stuff. And I went away to school, to Wheaton College up in Illinois, which is very tough academically.

C.M.: Yeah, I've heard of it. And I was no longer a big fish in a little pond. [Laughing] I'm sure you had this when you went away to college. You've got classes Monday, Wednesday, Friday and you've got all these blocks of free time. My first semester, I really, really struggled, because I got behind in everything. Because I just thought I had it, I thought I could do anything. I found out that I couldn't. But as I look back on it, I was able to survive and I was able to do well, because of my background, because I had, had good, good teachers. And you know, I was put in competition with people from all over the country from very 23:00good schools. And I felt like I could do as well as they did. So, I've always been grateful for that. As a matter of fact, back when I was in college, some kind of a survey was done... no, I guess it was after I was back here, and after I was through school. And I looked at some research and it showed that, now this was probably back in the sixties when I saw this, that of all the counties in Kentucky, Knott County had the highest number of people who graduated from college.

C.M.: Wow.

TERHUNE: And that was, you know, because of Alice Lloyd. Because they could go to Alice Lloyd for two years and then come down here and Alice Lloyd had a house, I mean Cammie had a house for them to live in and so on. I don't think that is true anymore.

C.M.: Yeah, probably not. At that time, it definitely was.

TERHUNE: Because the settlement school still had quite an influence back in the fifties. And 24:00I think it had an impact on the other. Those were good days, good days. And I think that the settlement school had such an impact and an influence, not only on me personally, and my family, but on the whole area. And continues to, I'm so proud of what your father's been able to do with this. It is really good. I'm probably rattling on.

C.M.: No, no, You're doing a fine job. I don't want to interrupt you. [Laughing] No, that's just fine. Like I told you, I've done forty some of these, but it's like every time I learn something new, or hear a new story. I just think it's so neat that even though you didn't live on the campus, you were so much a part of that campus and those people. Especially like the ladies would come and have tea at your house. Did you get to know Miss Watts very well?

TERHUNE: I knew Miss Watts well, because she, Miss Watts was very fond of my mother. In fact, 25:00I went down, Marcia and Billy have a cottage down near London, during that way. And we were going to go see Miss Watts, because I bought a book where there was a description of the foundation. I've forgotten who did it. I got any extra copy and had the person autograph it to Miss Watts. because it talked about her and the contributions she had made. I wrote to her and told her, sometime when I was going through Knoxville I'd like to stop by and bring it. So, when Marcia and I went down one weekend, just the two of us went. We called and we were going to go and she was real delighted to see us. And then she called that morning and she was ill, so we didn't go. And then I didn't get back for her birthday or any of the other things. I had great admiration for her. I thought she was a wonderful woman. And kind of a role model, particularly for those of us, who went into education and began teaching and so on. Because 26:00she gave you, she was such an example of the importance of education, and of her willingness to devote her life to that, when she didn't have to. It was hard work and struggles, serious struggles. My Aunt was at the settlement school for a while and one of her favorite stories, she's gone now too. She would be over a hundred now. When she lived there, Miss Pettit and Miss Watts, you know it was all that one big building where you all are now, primarily. Everybody had to work, and they all had chores and jobs to do. And she said, when your assignment was to set the table, that you were 27:00supervised so closely. And she said that, I've forgotten who it was, who supervised her, but she said they would stand there like a martinet and watch you. And you had a tray with silverware on it and you had a tray with cutlery, with dishes on it and china and so on. And if a piece of silverware touched a piece of cutlery and there was a clink, I mean that was a demerit, you know. It was supposed to be placed just so, she said this is where she learned how to set the table properly with the fork on the left and the spoon and the napkin folded just so, and the fold to the outside. And the glass at the tip of the knife. All those things were emphasized, and I think a lot of us, who had mothers or aunts or sisters who were involved in that, a lot of the things that we have that are considered proper were learned as a result of the Quare women who came and taught that. 28:00It was a wonderful era.

C.M.: What did you think about your teachers, the fact that they came, not the local ones, but that so many of them did come from New England? What was the general feeling about that, or was there any? Was there any talk about that?

TERHUNE: No, there wasn't any, because that was all we had known. Marcia and Kathleen and all of us grew up with nothing but the settlement school teachers, with one or two exceptions. Pearl was local, Pearl Combs. Dixie Bailey taught in the, well she taught in the high school, too. Because I had her for an American History class. And I'll never forget one time in my life, I snuck out and cut class, and went up the hill to a car that was parked up on the bank. And it was after the war had started, this was nineteen forty-one or two, forty-two, I guess. And the fellow I was dating was 29:00home. So, the two of us, the two girls went up and met them at the top and went somewhere. But see, I had to be home very early, because my father was very ill. So I couldn't go anywhere at night or anything, I had this one little block of time. [Laughing] So that evening I walked with my mother out to the front of, it was then Sheldon Maggard's store. Because Daddy had become ill and he had sold the store to Maggard's. We lived in an apartment in back of that. And I remember mother was standing there talking to somebody and Miss Bailey came along ... [Phone rings, tape pauses] C.M. : There we go.

TERHUNE: And looked at me just so deliberately, you know and I was quaking because I had never done a thing like cut a class in my life. [LAUGHING] And she looked ...

END OF TAPE 20 A 45, JOY TERHUNE, SIDE A 30:00BEGINNING OF TAPE 20 A 45, JOY TERHUNE, SIDE B TERHUNE: We did a lot of that. But she put on a Christmas pageant, and from the time I was second grade until I graduated from high school, I was the angel that said, "Behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy for unto you shall be born .. ". [LaughterJ Anyway, I was tall and I was blond, so I always had that part. It was such fun. We put on several plays during the year, because you know, it kept us busy and active. So the settlement school played a great part in that, that I think is missing now. High school may still do that, but there was such quality in what we did. And of course there weren't as many of us, and so because there were fewer of us, more of us were involved 31:00in more things. But the Christmas Pageant was the biggie of the year and everybody in that community came to the Christmas pageant. And they put on the Christmas play and then after the play, then Santa Claus came. And there was a huge tree, and Hillard Smith always handed out the presents. And that was Phil's, you know Phil Smith. That was Phil's father. Phil was the youngest and I was the youngest, so we were very close. But Hillard had this big, sonorous voice and he would call out the names. And every child in that school got a present. And it wasn't just, you know a homemade, I mean it wasn't just a bought on stocking with something in it. It was a wrapped gift with a name on it. And of course as you got older, that was the time that if you had a secret boyfriend or girlfriend, they could put a gift under the tree and you'd get it. 32:00Because they probably wouldn't feel comfortable taking it to your home or whatever. And sometimes they were from your secret admirer or whatever, you know. [Laughing] But everybody just sat rapt, because you knew your name was going to be called. Your name was going to be called. And it wasn't parents who put those under there, it was the settlement school or just a group who got together and took the roll of the school and everybody got a present.

C.M.: So this was just a community wide thing.

TERHUNE This was a community, this was a big community thing. It could have been that the courthouse gave money for that, that there was tax money, I don't know. I don't know where the money came from, but all I know is, every year for twelve years, I sat there and waited for my name to be called and got a present. [Laughing] And it was just a really wonderful time. And then graduations were always so special. And the May Day thing with the May Queen, it was just a lot of things. 33:00I often think about, I had sons, I didn't have a daughter. I think about their school days, while there were neat things, there were just so many special things that I had, that they didn't have. And I think it is the result of the settlement school. I have friends who grew up in Allen, and Prestonsburg and Hazard and all these other places, and they didn't have the quality of things that we had at all.

C.M.: That's neat to hear about the Christmas thing. People tell me different versions of that, maybe the play and things, but I didn't realize that the entire community came to that, so that's pretty neat.

TERHUNE It was. The gym floor, the chairs were out, and the gym was filled and the bleachers. And it was always very well attended. And graduations were so well attended, because these 34:00were big events. It was one of the few things that everybody had a chance to go to. And then we were such a small community that people who didn't even have children in school anymore still participated and supported events, because we were all so close. That made it special.

C.M.: Well I guess, thinking back on it, I mean the stuff you've shared with me has just been great. I feel like I don't even need to ask any questions, you've told me so much.

TERHUNE: I talk too much.

C.M.: No, no, you could never talk too much through one of these, I promise you. But I guess thinking back on it now, I mean just listening to you talk, I can tell how much the settlement school means to you. After you went, being away from it and things, when you think about the settlement school, what things stand out in your mind? 35:00If there is anything that you could even sum up in that way?

TERHUNE: Well I think of some of the stories that my siblings told about the times that they lived there, some of them are humorous. The last time I went to, I haven't been to one of the alumni things for a couple of years, I guess since ninety-four, when my class was honored. I'll never forget, Otis Cornett came up to me and he says, "Every time I see you, I think of Bill Zeke." And I said, "Yeah, Bill Zeke loved you." And he said, "I liked that old feller too." He said, "I never did tell you this," and I shouldn't put this on the tape. [Laughing] But he says, "we had to sleep together at the Little Boys' House," and of course, my brother was six years old. Otis was a little bit older, I guess. And he said, "You know, when he first came over there, every night he wet the bed." 36:00[Laughing] C.M.: Oh, bless his heart.

TERHUNE: He said .... "you know, he was so traumatized with everything that had happened."

C.M.: Right, yeah.

TERHUNE: And so I said something about it to my sister, my older sister, who was fourteen probably at the time. And she said, "Oh that's right, he did." She said every morning she'd have to leave the Little Girls' House and go over and strip the bed and hang the sheets out because he had, had an accident.

C.M.: Bless his heart.

TERHUNE: But Otis said, that Bill Zeke, he used to blankety-blank on me every night. [Laughter] But they were good friends.

C.M.: That probably happened to a lot of little ones. I can't imagine. Bless his heart. I'm sorry were you going to ...

TERHUNE: Go ahead.

C.M.: Do you keep in touch, I guess you pretty much keep in touch with what's going on at the settlement now?

TERHUNE: Yes, I try to, I try to. And of course, since Marcia 37:00moved back here from Cleveland, it's just been wonderful. I go that way more often. I still go to Prestonsburg often, because I have a sister who lives in Prestonsburg. Sometimes I'll go through Hindman, or Marcia will go up with me and we'll do that. For three or four years I went to the alumni thing almost annually with her, because she loves to go back. But I don't, I just don't know a lot of people anymore. I still know Lib Smith and Virginia Combs, who never changes, neither of them ever change.

C.M.: No, they don't.

TERHUNE: And a few people downtown. Audrey, Audrey Mullins, I still know, she was in my class. And she's still active, but there just aren't a lot of them left. We're all getting old.

C.M.: Nah, I don't think so.

TERHUNE: But I'm hoping as I learn how to retire. My husband and I are just finally relaxing enough to think hey, you know, we don't have to rush as much. Seems like everyday is full. 38:00I'm so busy.

C.M. : What do you think about the changes that have gone on at the settlement school? Because it is a totally different place.

TERHUNE: It is totally different, and I just have great admiration for the fact that somebody's had the vision to create a program that fits the needs of the community and also utilize the facilities in the manner that they've been utilized. I think Lois Weinberg and her recognition of the Dyslexia problem and the need for that kind of a program. And then your father's and the board's interest and ability to carry it on. I just think that's incredible that it all fit together that well. And I think there's some strands of continuity that I think are wonderful. And that's Jim Still, still being there. He's sort of a thread that runs through. There's a book, that Edith Schafer wrote. And I don't know whether you know anything about Edith Schafer. But Frances and Edith Schafer established 39:00a, kind of an oasis for troubled kids over in the Alps, called Le Brie. And a lot of kids, this was during the drug culture, got involved with them. And they are great theologians, and very practical, family oriented people, too. Her husband's dead now, and she wrote a book that I just love, called The Tapestry, and I love the symbolism. But she talks about, she went back to a time, to her family and Frances' family and sort of paralleled their lives until they merged and became one and established their own family. And she talks about it as a tapestry. And that as you look back you can see that there are certain threads that become more prominent and that they are woven through your life and make such a beautiful pattern. And of course, that fits right in with tapestries, and weaving and Hindman fit right in together. 40:00But I think there are certain threads in my vision, in my tapestry of my life that certainly, a strong scarlet thread that flows from the beginning and continues to flow, would be my association with the settlement school and the influence it's had on my life. And it is a real strong, strong feeling I have about it. And I think when my life is over, if somebody could see that tapestry, they would see that, that symbol.

END OF INTERVIEW