Oral History Interview with Fred Hammonds

WILLIAM BERGE: The following is an unrehearsed tape interview with Mr. Fred Hammonds of Dayton, Ohio. The interview is conducted by Mr. William Berge for the Kentucky Oral History Commission, at Cumberland Falls State Park. The interview is conducted at Cumberland Falls State Park on September 29, 2000, at approximately Four PM. Mr. Hammonds, tell me you full name, and where you were born.

FRED HAMMONDS: Well, my full name is Fred Hammonds, and I was borned Carter County, Kentucky. The northeastern part of the state, and Grayson is the county seat.

BERGE: How far from Grayson were you born?

HAMMONDS: Oh, about eight miles. A little place they call Willard.

BERGE: Willard? What was your birth date? 1:00What day, and what month, and what year?

HAMMONDS: My birthday is November the 19th, 1919.

BERGE: 1919. Ok. Now, what was your Dad’s name?

HAMMONDS: Ah, his name was Delmer. Delmer Hammonds.

BERGE: Huh-huh. And what was your mother’s maiden name?

HAMMONDS: Rosa Bowling.

BERGE: Bowling?

HAMMONDS: Yeah.

BERGE: B o w l i n g?

HAMMONDS: Yeah.

BERGE: Tell me. Where was your dad born?

HAMMONDS; Well, my father was actually borned in a little place they called Cereto, West Virginia, in the Huntington area.

BERGE: Ok.

HAMMONDS: It’s right near Ashland.

BERGE: Yeah, I know where it is. Now tell me this, where was your mother--what was her maiden name?

HAMMONDS: Her name was Bowling.

BERGE: I mean where was she born, excuse me, I … HAMMONDS: She was born at the place where I—here in Kentucky.

BERGE: Oh, right where you were born.

HAMMONDS: Yeah. Right where I was born, yeah.

BERGE: Ok, when you were born in 1919, ah, your family was living in Willard, 2:00and where did you go to school when you started school?

HAMMONDS: Well, I went to the Willard elementary school.

BERGE: Huh-huh. And how long did you attend school there?

HAMMONDS: Well, I went for nine years in that school.

BERGE: Was that a one room school?

HAMMONDS: No, it had three rooms.

BERGE: Three rooms?

HAMMONDS: Yeah. It was a—Willard had been a blooming town. It probably had around sixty or seventy houses in that area around there. And there is an awful lot of little creeks come in there, and they was a lot of people lived up those little creeks. They still come to school and … BERGE: And they went down in the town to go to school.

HAMMONDS: They went in that town to go to school, you know. They some of them two, two and one-half mile away. That was about the limit.

BERGE: Sure, sure. Did you go to school after that?

HAMMONDS: Well, yes, I went to school, to high school for one year.

BERGE: Where?

HAMMONDS: I went to a place called Webbville, Kentucky. 3:00That’s just about two miles away from there.

BERGE: But it’s still in Carter County?

HAMMONDS: No, that happened in Lawrence County.

BERGE: Oh, it is in Lawrence County.

HAMMONDS: Right near the Lawrence County line.

BERGE: Ok. Ok.

HAMMONDS: And then at that time being then, I was getting about to the eighth then and I wanted to do something.

BERGE: You mean you wanted to get out of Willard.

HAMMONDS: Yeah, I wanted to get out of there. There really wasn’t anything—there had been an old abandoned coal mine in town one time … BERGE: And there was nothing to do there.

HAMMONDS: Wasn’t nothing going on there you know, just kind of farm work.

BERGE: The—how old were you? Do you remember?

HAMMONDS: I was nineteen when I left there.

BERGE: Did you go right in the CCC’s?

HAMMONDS: Well I first went into Morehead, Kentucky, which was about thirty miles from where I was raised.

BERGE: Yeah. Yeah.

HAMMONDS: And then I stayed there three weeks 4:00in Morehead, Kentucky.

BERGE: What did you do there?

HAMMONDS: I really didn’t do too much. I worked a little bit but not very much. Just kind of cleaning up the area there. But they had another plan for me; there was me and one more guy, and they told us one afternoon they said, “we don’t want you to leave the area, we want you to get to bed early tonight, and we are going to get you up at five ’o clock in the morning, and get your breakfast, and we are going to put you on the train, and send you to Surran, Kentucky.” BERGE: Oh, so that is when you went in the three C’s?

HAMMONDS: Well, I was in the three C’s at Morehead.

BERGE: Oh, you were.

HAMMONDS: Yeah, I was actually in the three C’s.

BERGE: Oh, oh.

HAMMONDS: I had got in—they had really signed me up in Grayson, see.

BERGE: Oh, ok. I understand now. Ok. Who was the guy you went to Stearns with? Do you remember his name?

HAMMONDS: Yeah. His name was Merle Dickerson.

BERGE: Where was he from?

HAMMONDS: He was from Grayson.

BERGE: Huh-huh. So you knew him before you went to Morehead even.

HAMMONDS: Well, I didn’t really know 5:00him before I went in, but he was in that area there you know.

BERGE: Yeah. So you were sent to Stearns.

HAMMONDS: I didn’t really know him until we were sent to Stearns.

BERGE: Yeah.

HAMMONDS: And that was sort of strange, that about two or three hundred people there in Morehead—it was a very large camp—and they picked two of us guys, and sent us to Stearns; so I didn’t know what Stearns was, in fact, I had never heard of it. And we got to Lexington—we had to change trains there—happened to have a cab—a taxi cab working ( ) to take us over to the Southern Railroad station. And I got on the train and so of course, I was young … BERGE: There was just the two of you?

HAMMONDS: Just the two of us, yeah. They had a record—a guy in charge of the records—and so I asked the train conductor where Stearns was, and he told me it was right next to the Tennessee line, about five miles to the Tennessee line.

BERGE: Yeah. he’s right.

HAMMONDS: And he told me a few things about it 6:00so that’s … BERGE: The first you knew about it.

HAMMONDS: That’s the first I knew. And it was sort of like strange country to me, because I hadn’t been very far away from home then.

BERGE: Do you remember the year it was?

HAMMONDS: Yeah, it was June in 1939, but I don’t remember the day.

BERGE: June thirty-nine HAMMONDS: Yeah.

BERGE: When you went to Stearns. What did you think of … HAMMONDS: I could give you an approximate, round about—approximately right around near the twentieth of—I’d say about the twentieth.

BERGE: What did you think of Stearns when you got off the train down there?

HAMMONDS: Well, I’ll tell you what, I got off the train there, and didn’t know much about it and found out they had one of the biggest lumber mills in Kentucky about that time.

BERGE: Oh, yeah?

HAMMONDS: And Stearns they was coal mining going on around there and that was a boom town 7:00about then … BERGE: Just the opposite of what Willard was.

HAMMONDS: Yeah. Yeah. Willard seemed like a ghost town.

BERGE: That’s right.

HAMMONDS: But Stearns was a booming town, I mean in those days around thirty-nine, forty, forty-one, when I was there; and if anybody wanted a job of work why everybody had a job of work. They’d buy new cars, and living good, and everything going on.

BERGE: Yeah, yeah.

HAMMONDS: A lot of company houses there in Stearns. The lumber company, people lived in them, and got cheap rent, and the water and electricity was furnished to them, the people was living good back then in those days.

BERGE: Oh, sure. What did you all do when you went to Stearns? What did the three C’s—how many people in the three C’s down there.

HAMMONDS: Well, there was an average of two hundred people.

BERGE: Huh-huh.

HAMMONDS: Well, I’ll tell you one of the first things that I did was—one of the first things that I did when I got there to Stearns I worked out on the roads, out on the roads, in McCreary County? 8:00They were building roads, and those roads were used for fire trails; and one of the main things that they did to prevent forest fires. It was all forest service work.

BERGE: Yeah. Yeah.

HAMMONDS: And I worked on that probably about eight months I guess, and I worked on down at another place they called Yamacraw … BERGE: Yamacraw, yeah.

HAMMONDS: And so, we worked down on that Yamacraw Mountain and then we got across … BERGE: Did you fish in the river there?

HAMMONDS: We got across big South Fork down there, and we started on the other side, going up the other side of the mountain called Rattle Snake Ridge. And I was a working on that mountain down there, and most of it was a lot of pick and shovel work. And so I asked one of the men, he was a foreman named, Harold West, he was over 9:00a telephone line company there, and I asked him about getting on the telephone line work, and so he said, “all right.” And he just waited two days, and he put me on the telephones, there; we was doing maintenance work on telephone lines. We had to have telephone lines going all over McCreary County, and Whitley County to the fire towers. And we had actually a total of fifteen fire towers. We was taking care of them, and there was also about three of them in the state of Tennessee around the Oneida and Jellico area.

BERGE: Sure.

HAMMONDS: And so, we had to go through the woods, and sometimes a tree limb would get blowed up over the power lines 10:00and short the lines out, and we had to make sure that they were cleared on account of the fire tower.

BERGE: How long did you work on the fire towers and that telephone business?

HAMMONDS: I worked on that telephone business about nine months and so, we’d go up in the fire towers and that was very exciting and very interesting to me, you know, to see how the fire towers worked and how they communicated with one another.

BERGE: You knew those forest people service then?

HAMMONDS: I knew those forest service people. yeah. I don’t remember them today. I remember two or three, but I—and then, later then I surveyed timber a lot even around Cumberland Falls area, I survey timber for two or three months.

BERGE: With the triple C’s?

HAMMONDS: With the triple C’s, yeah. And so, then later then, 11:00they picked me to be, well, they called a leader in there, and give me an up-grade, and had me to—they give me about twenty men, and a foreman, and this here foreman, he was an Italian man they had there, and he did some mason work.

BERGE: Oh.

HAMMONDS: And I happened to be the leader, and helping him there, and we had twenty men. And so, I didn’t know anything about being a straw boss or helping, doing anything like that, but they told me I would learn. They told me, they liked me and wanted to give me a chance. So we started and we built--started building a ranger stone, between Whitley and Stearns.

BERGE: A stone?

HAMMONDS: A stone [building] yeah, we put in a stone basement—a stone foundation. 12:00And a stone chimney, and fire place, and it was very beautiful. I think it is still there today, but it belongs to someone else. And we built that place there for the forest rangers—really to live in and they also had an office there.

BERGE: Yeah, huh-huh.

HAMMONDS: And they also had their communication services. Such as the telephone communication lines there, and they had a radio communication there too at that time. It was like a dispatching office. And I worked on that, and then after I finished my time there I had to leave my two years was up. And … BERGE: Oh, sure. Where did you go then?

HAMMONDS: Well, I went back to my home town of Grayson, Kentucky, and there really wasn’t no work around there. So 13:00I felt like I had to do something, I liked it there all right, but I wanted to better myself. And so I went to Dayton Ohio … BERGE: Oh, right from the three C’s you went to Dayton?

HAMMONDS: Yeah, I went to Dayton, Ohio.

BERGE: Why did you go there? Did you know somebody up there?

HAMMONDS: Well, I first went—to be exact, I went to Columbus Ohio, and I did know someone there.

BERGE: Ok.

HAMMONDS: But I went there about two week and didn’t find no work. One of the luckiest things, I think that ever happened to me, was some man told me, said he lived in Dayton Ohio, and he got transferred to Columbus to a company, already had a job, but he told me, “if you are looking for a job of work, you go to Dayton, Ohio.” He said, “it’s only seventy-five miles away.” And I decided then I would go to Dayton, and I went to Dayton, and got a job the next day in Dayton Ohio.

BERGE: What were you doing?

HAMMONDS: I was putting siding on houses, 14:00doing construction work.

BERGE: Huh-huh. That was something new for you.

HAMMONDS: Well, it was something new to make a start at. And then from that point then, I worked a little while through the summertime there. And come fall of the year, and I couldn’t do construction work, and I got a job in a printing company, call Reynolds, BERGE: In Dayton.

HAMMONDS: In Dayton Ohio. And I worked there up until the spring of the year, and I got laid off. Then I got a job in a ( ) machine shop, and these machine shops had like a sort of rush order, and you know they didn’t need me very long; but I went to Chrysler then to a bigger place, the Chrysler Corporation 15:00of Dayton Ohio, that’s where they make the heating.

BERGE: Oh, yes.

HAMMONDS: And the air conditioning for the automobiles, and so they told me, they said, “if you have worked in a machine shop you are just the man we are looking for.” BERGE: Huh.

HAMMONDS: And so I worked there six weeks, and then I called into the army during World War II, gone three and one-half years, and I came back to Dayton, and Chrysler gave me my job back.

BERGE: That was kind of nice—you had only bee there a few months.

HAMMONDS: Yeah.

BERGE: Tell me this. Where were you stationed in the army?

HAMMONDS: Well, the first place I really went to was Fort Thomas Kentucky in the Covington area, Cincinnati, and so I stayed there two weeks. And they sent me then to—down south to a place they called Gadsden Alabama, 16:00that’s between Birmingham and ( ) Tennessee.

BERGE: Yeah, I know where it is, yeah.

HAMMONDS: And then I stayed there for one year, and then they sent me—oh, I’ll put this in there—they made military police out of me for three weeks. They was transporting a thirty-five car loads of mustard bombs from the Huntsville arsenal then, and they was sending them out to the Benicia Arsenal in San Francisco California. And they used those military police to … BERGE: To guard.

HAMMONS: To guard—do security guard work—and every time that train stopped at a railroad station, wherever it might be—where another one could pass, why we had to get out, and walk from all the way from the caboose up to the engine, on both sides to make sure 17:00no one got around it, because it was a very dangerous train to be transporting. And so we had to go on that train, and we had what I call a converted box car, very similar to a mobile home where we ate and slept in; and we had one man to cook, one man as a lieutenant, and then there was four of us guys that were guards. And so we would take time about guarding the train; and the train could only go about forty mile an hour and that was top speed, forty mile an hour.

BERGE: Yeah. Took a long while then.

HAMMONDS: It took a long time. It took almost two weeks to get to California. So we got out there, and left it there, and then we come on back down to the Los Angeles area through the south west and New Orleans, 18:00and back into Alabama then. Then after that they sent me back to California to a place called Camp Stoneman.

BERGE: Oh, yeah, I’ve been there. I went overseas from there.

HAMMONDS: And at San Francisco, and we left there then, and they put us on a great big old transport ship—it had been a luxury liner at one time, called the Monticello—had a nine thousand army troops on there, and about a thousand navy personnel on there.

BERGE: Where did they send you?

HAMMONDS: They sent me to Sydney, Australia.

BERGE: You could have been over there for the Olympics. This week--the Olympics were in Sydney.

HAMMONDS: Yeah, they have been going on the past week or better. And they sent me to Sydney, and the first thing I got over there I was on that Sydney Harbor Bridge, and then—I stayed there about a month--and they sent me to a place called Brisbane.

BERGE: Yeah, I know where that is.

HAMMONDS: Then I went from Brisbane to another place they called Townsville, 19:00stayed there about three months. Then after that they sent me into Papua New Guinea, a place called Finschhafen. Then I left from there, I left that part of New Guinea, to a place called Indonesia New Guinea. And I went to a place they called Hollandia [now known as Jayapura], ah, it wasn’t much of a place, but I read in the National Geographic that it is close to four hundred thousand this day and time.

BERGE: Yeah. Yeah. That place has really changed.

HAMMONDS: There was virgin timber there, and they put in plywood mills, lumber mills, and they really made a booming town out of it. And I went from there, later then, well I’d seen combat in most of the places in New Guinea there, and I went to a place they called Biak Island there. That was one of our roughest places we had in World War II. 20:00Then I left from that place, and went to a place they called Mindoro, in the Philippines. And then I stayed there about a month, and they sent me back down to the southwest part of the Philippines called Zambowanga, on the island Mindanao. Then I stayed there a while, and then, later then, after World War II was over with, they sent us to a place called Kure, Japan. And that was only about thirty miles from Hiroshima where they dropped the atomic bomb and I went over there, I was … BERGE: Wanted to see it.

HAMMONDS: Four or five times—well, they took us over there for business over there. We had to go over there for certain things, and 21:00I was over there in Hiroshima about four times. I did take some pictures of Hiroshima Japan, I bet it was destroyed. At that time, I would say there was about five hundred thousand population, I think, the best I remember.

BERGE: Yeah. More than half a million, I think.

HAMMONDS: And then, later then, I was there in Japan about four months; they sent me a place they called Nagoya, Japan, up close to Tokyo area, wasn’t in Tokyo, but out of there. And I caught a ship out of there, then and came back to Fort Lewis Washington. Stayed there about ten days, and then they brought me back to Camp Atterberry in Danville, and they give me an honorable discharge there, and I was sort of on my way out then.

BERGE: When I went overseas I left like you did from Camp Stoneman, but then we went up to Seattle, and 22:00parked there, and they brought a bunch of soldiers from Fort Lewis, and put them in with us, and they took us to Alaska, and that is where I went.

HAMMONDS: Yeah.

BERGE: But it was interesting I went to the same places. Now let me ask you when did you get out of the service?

HAMMONDS: Well, I got out on December the 20th, 1945, I believe. Yeah, that’s right.

BERGE: Yeah. And you went right back to Chrysler?

HAMMONDS: Yeah, I stayed, I went back—I stayed off about a week or two … BERGE: Yeah, I know.

HAMMONDS: But I went right back to Chrysler, they give me my job back then.

BERGE: That was nice.

HAMMONDS: Yeah, it was. I worked for the Chrysler Corporation over thirty-three years. And my army and military leave time, they gave me my pension on all of that. And I am very proud, and think a lot of the Chrysler Corporation.

BERGE: Oh, sure.

HAMMONDS: In fact, 23:00I got—in 1946 come back, and got my job there I had a payday all those years. And in fact, this is 2000, and I am still getting a pension payday from Chrysler, and I am very proud of it.

BERGE: Oh, yeah, yeah, that’s great. The a—what did you do at Chrysler?

HAMMONDS: I worked in the machine shop as a machinist.

BERGE: Yeah, for thirty-three years.

HAMMONDS: Yeah. But just like that was—they made mostly air conditionings and heating units there. I was fortunate enough that they had a contract from the government, and I worked on that for twenty-three years, and they was making a range finder for the army tanks. I don’t know if you know what a range finder was, but anyway they was something to help the army tank run better 24:00from the enemy plane you know.

BERGE: Yeah. Yeah.

HAMMONDS: Doesn’t matter which way they would maneuver, either one of them. If one picked it up, it would hold it on there till the plane got out of sight. So that was perfect for the range finder, so I did that machine shop work on all that. And then during that particular time during the early sixties, between 1960-65 I also—Chrysler there in Dayton Ohio had a part of the Redstone Arsenal from Huntsville Alabama, they had a contract for some of that, and I worked on that for about four years. A lot of munitions work. Very interesting.

BERGE: Yeah. Yeah, it was. Tell me this do you think that your experience in the three C’s helped you later in life?

HAMMONDS: Yeah, it really helped 25:00me. The three C’s did. It was like a good schooling, you know, good training, good schooling. In fact, I didn’t really get a chance to really go to high school like I wanted to about one year. But during that particular time, I was in Stearns there, they had it worked out that we went to the McCreary County High School, at nighttime there, and we would take certain schooling there, and then we taken some certain schooling there in the camp too. I—I got a certain amount of education all through it. They learnt me—they taught me how to do a lot of work there, and a lot of the things that I will never get over, and they gave me a good start in life. I think the three C’s was a good thing for the younger men.

BERGE: Oh, yeah. Do you think when you went in the army for instance that it helped you 26:00in basic training or all that?

HAMMONDS: Oh, yes, I think it helped me, it really did. You know the three C’s--I’ll go back there, then I’ll come back to the army, like you asked me. The three C’s helped men to be very disciplined, and that means an awful lot in life. To be disciplined ( ). And then when I got in the Army I had no problems whatsoever, because the army was no problem to me. I just obeyed whatever they told me, and they very seldom every told me what was wrong that I know of BERGE: You were used to it.

HAMMONDS: So I sort of enjoyed the army.

BERGE: Yep. Did you have any children?

HAMMONDS: Yeah. I married some lady and—in fact I really got acquainted with here down in Alabama--then after I went overseas and come back, why we got married, and 27:00I had three children. I got a daughter and two boys.

BERGE: Where do they live?

HAMMONDS: They still live in Dayton.

BERGE: Ok. So, you have settled into Dayton then.

HAMMONDS: But unfortunately they ( ) my wife and—she wanted a divorce later on—some personal troubles, and we got that and … BERGE: Where is she then?

HAMMONDS: She is still in Dayton, Ohio.

BERGE: She lives in Dayton too. Would you—you still live in Dayton then?

HAMMONDS: I still live in Dayton, yes.

BERGE: Let me turn this over here.

END SIDE ONE TAPE ONE HAMMONDS BEGIN SIDE TWO TAPE ONE HAMMONDS.

BERGE: When you—after 28:00you left Carter County and went up to Ohio, were you—did you regularly come back to Kentucky and visit, or did you pretty well stay up there?

HAMMONDS: Well, I would come back three or four times a year.

BERGE: Do you still go back there?

HAMMONDS: I still go back some, yes. I don’t get back as much as I used to because we had a family reunion once a year, I think. There at Grayson Lake.

BERGE: Oh, you do?

HAMMONDS: And I still go back there, so … BERGE: Do you ever go to Carter Cave?

HAMMONS: Yeah, I’ve been to Carter Cave. Carter Cave, and another cave there called Cat’s Cave that is very nice.

BERGE: Did you tell me today that you went to down to Blue Heron on the train some years ago?

HAMMONDS: Yeah. yeah, I went down a couple of years ago—well a few years—well, I went down there about fifteen years ago, on the train; but then I drove down there about three years ago, I drove down there, to Blue Heron. 29:00BERGE: Well that is sure something down there isn’t it.?

HAMMONDS: Sure is.

BERGE: Was there more than one CCC camp near Stearns?

HAMMONDS: Well I can tell you exactly where they were.

BERGE: Ok. Where were they?

HAMMONDS: Well, they was a camp in what they call Greenwood.

BERGE: Ok.

HAMMONDS: And that was a small camp, wasn’t too many there, but they had a camp down there. And then they had a camp at Bell Farm, that was a big camp.

BERGE: Yes, that’s right. Was it bigger than the one at Stearns?

HAMMONDS: I don’t know that it was any bigger, I was never direct in it, but it was a big camp. And then they had another camp up Jellico Creek, that was between Pine Knot Kentucky 30:00and Williamsburg. They call it Jellico Creek.

BERGE: Yeah.

HAMMONDS: And they also call Pleasant Run, I think, too in that area, so they had a camp there, but at the time that I got to Stearns they was phasing that camp out.

BERGE: Well, when people down around there talk about the Pine Knot Camp, that must be the camp they talk about.

HAMMONDS: It probably was I guess.

BERGE: Did you ever have any reason to go to any of those other camps when you were at Stearns?

HAMMONDS: I didn’t have too much reason, but I did go there a few times. Especially to Greenwood and the Jellico Creek, Bell Farm; we went there to pick up some supplies, something that they had those places that we didn’t have. And then one time I went to what is called—over in Clay County—one 31:00called Goose Rock over after some stone, where they done some stone masonry work, and had left over.

BERGE: You were telling me about that house that you built in stone, did you ever do any other stonework, besides that one building for the forest service?

HAMMONDS: That was all I ever did for that, I did a little bit for myself in Dayto, Ohio, because I knew how to do it.

BERGE: You learned how to do it without … HAMMONDS: I learned how to do it, but that’s where we built it.

BERGE: You know there were a lot of those Italian stone masons that came over to the United States and worked for the WPA building schools.

HAMMONDS: Yeah? This man there was called Van Rosar, and they was a little bit hard to understand you know, and our English, between his language and my language, but I got used to it and we got along real good. He was very skillful, he knew how to—he knew the old way how to do the stone masonry work.

BERGE: Sounds like you learned a good bit from him too.

HAMMONDS: I sure did, I learned an awful lot there. 32:00BERGE: Well, I‘ll tell you Mr. Hammonds, I really enjoyed talking with you, we sure learned a lot from talking here with you today. Anything you would like to add to what you said about the CCC’s?

HAMMONDS: Well, I’ll say this here, I’m going to add just a little bit here. I’m going to tell you something great about it. I was in the three C’s two years total, and during all that time, I would say ninety-eight per cent of the guys I worked with were all good men, good young men. And they were hard workers, and never no trouble. They would pull jokes and stuff, but never no real trouble among anybody, and I made an awful lot of good friends. And I think it was very good training for the younger generation, in fact, I think it would be something great, this day and time if they would pick up these surplus boys maybe that … BERGE: That aren’t 33:00doing anything.

HAMMONDS: Aren’t doing anything, and put them in there, and let them learn how to obey, and train them to get a job of work where they could make it on their own. And I think that was the one great thing of the three C’s was that Roosevelt started back in the early thirties, and so I am very proud of it myself. In fact that is one reason—I have been coming to this reunion for twenty years, and that is one reason why I am here today.

BERGE: You like to come don’t you?

HAMMONDS: I still like to come.

BERGE: Well I want to thank you sir.

HAMMONDS: Well, ok I thank you too. 34:00END SIDE TWO TAPE ONE HAMMONDS END OF INTERVIEW